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Approved PR:BF2 Player Report - THOT Danielj15_

Discussion in 'Player, Admin and Server Reports' started by sumsum, Jan 13, 2019.

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    PR:BF2 Name:
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    PR Nickname: sumsumsamsamsimsim
    PR CD Key Hash: 89fafdb5d871c7efbd8915f6dbc9d65e
    Reported PR Nickname: THOT Danielj15_

    Broken Rules: 6.5.1

    Date: Jan 13, 2019
    Time: 7:00pm
    Map: Operation Marlin

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    Disclaimer: I have read and understood the PRTA PR Server Rules

    After being confronted about the rule, Danielj15_ started to say things like, Do it report me, which seemed a bit unprofessional for an admin.

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    Thank you for submitting this Player Report against THOT Danielj15_, sumsumsamsamsimsim. Results will be given after 7 Days. Please follow this Thread and respond to possible Questions we have for you.

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    The shitboxes are not claimable. Thus he had manned both assets.
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    BubblyNinja BubblyNinja 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚

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    Howdy,

    Ok lets get this straight.

    We kicked you from our APC squad because we wanted to wait for friends to fill the squad and use the APCs. We told you this before kicking you and your friend from the squad. Second, the squad leader is within his rights to deny anyone from the squad so long as rules are satisfied. The asset rule is satisfied as every APC that was available was being properly manned by the required amount of crewmen not to mention our incoming friends to man any leftover APCs.

    Cheers.
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    Lith Lith I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally

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    You did not properly man the apc squad as the screenshot clearly illustrates. Your friends never joined you at any point in the match. The screenshot was taken approx 15 or so mins into the game with your friends still not with you.Later on you simply deleted the squad after dying multiple times. So please stop lying.
    This squad claims all armored personnel carriers that require two crewman kits to be operated and have not been claimed by "MECH INF".
    Rule 6.5.6.
    Or does it not apply in this case for some reason
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    BubblyNinja BubblyNinja 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚

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    Terry was one of 3 friends that were supposed to join. The last two never joined because we lost all APCs which was when we disbanded and created mortar squad leaving the APCs to you and your friend. At the time of your screenshot all available APCs were being manned with no APC left unattended at main, hence all assets were properly manned.

    You can escalate this all you want but it still doesn't change the fact that the rule was nevertheless satisfied.
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    Lith Lith I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally

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    Okay so you driving somewhere with your bmps while the mtlbs (which according to rule 6.5.6 are apcs and belong to an apc squad) are sitting in main somehow means that all apcs are properly manned? what?
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    BubblyNinja BubblyNinja 乇乂ㄒ尺卂 ㄒ卄丨匚匚

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    Squad was disbanded to make mortars leaving 1 MTLB in main? what?
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    MTLB only require driver to be crewman. So they do not fall under this rule.
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    MTLB gunner also needs crewman kit...
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    But it still shitbux anyway
    Go sleep
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    [​IMG]
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    The only useful thing this report manages to do is to highlight the fact that some rules brought in discussion are flawed.

    If you take the current rules word for word, more specifically 6.5.6, you see that
    • the MTLBs, which require 2 crewman kits. are claimed by the APC squad
    • the IFVs are available aswell, so APC squad claims at least 1 if not both MTLBs in absence of MECH INF
    Then you take 6.5.1 which would require the APC squad at that moment to have 8 people in the squad to man 2 BMPs + 2 MTLBs.

    6.5.1 appears to be in place to avoid stuff like 2 man locked tank squad with 3-4 tanks up thus to make sure the main assets are properly manned.

    With this in mind I'd like to point out the fact that the rules are flawed and should be modified because you run into the following things when playing PR:
    • Tank squads being able to lock at 6 when playing on maps with 3 tanks but with additional Spandrel/Shturm/AAVs available and claimed by them
    • Maps like Khami or Kashan which would require the tank squad to have 6 or 8 people to man the tanks, then at least 2/4 to man the AAVs and then 2/4 to man the Spandrel/Shturm which would require the tank squad to have about 10 or 16 people to make sure all the assets are properly manned.
    We all know that as an APC squad once your good apcs and enemy assets are up you forget the mtlbs because they are fucking useless and die to literally anything so easily, and this applies to any asset squad as is the meta and there is nothing wrong with it.


    Not to mention you are making this report not because "all the assets available are not properly manned" but because the opportunity to waste an MTLB was taken away from you.
    People who are salty after getting kicked from an asset squad are hilarious sometimes, but people who are kicked from an asset squad and then make a report about it (for an MTLB )) ) clinging on a flawed rule are pretty sad.
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    I stand thoroughly corrected.
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    filamu you wanna revisit the rules?
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    The rule of course can't force an asset squad to have more than 8 players in it. I think we all understand that.
    It is there to ensure that the team gets supported by the assets provided and that may help the team.
    If wanted and requested, the tank squad with 3 tanks, 2 ATVs and 2 AAVs should share the assets they don't use, to squads which may have use of them, such as APC or CAS.

    APC: "This squad claims all armored personnel carriers that require two crewman kits to be operated"
    This is the rule, and as MTLBs require two crewmen, these fall under these rules. Daniel should under these circumstances have opened up the squad since you wanted to use these vehicles and thought they could help.

    6.13: "ll available assets must be used immediately on spawn if the situation does not lead to an immediate death of the asset after leaving main base (1 jet vs. 4 jets etc.)."
    You could argue that they are not very useful vehicles after the real apcs arrive, and it is fairly usual to not use them after this time. Therefore I still think it is acceptable to lock an APC sq with 4 on such maps when the BMPs are up, but the SL should open up if someone thinks they are helpful and wants to try.

    This report is approved, and I will have a chat with Daniel about it.

    If anyone have any better suggestions on how the rules themselves should be, please make a separate post about it.
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    Either change the rule, or define "properly man all assets".

    Now, let me propose to you this:
    Say they let you in the squad, but the squadleader told you not to take an APC. What then? Squadleaders have every right to deny you that, according to rule 6.12. "Do not steal any assets and do not take them if the squadleader does not tell you to do so."
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    Sorry filamu

    TabZa contacted me in teamspeak saying he was just about to post before you closed it. I opened it temporarily for his comment.
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    Squad was locked cos they were waiting for me and timelord too though
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