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Denied PR:BF2 Admin Report - Suchor...

Discussion in 'Player, Admin and Server Reports' started by Vegas32, May 8, 2018.

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    PR Nickname: Vegas3.2
    PR CD Key Hash: 9b8ae41f059fa5ad9bbecb4b7af59e92
    Reported PR Admin Nickname: Suchor...

    Description of the Issue: "BOSNIAN..." tk my clanmate, and stole his kit. I killed "BOSNIAN..." for this, we revive my friend and took away kit.

    After this, "BOSNIAN..." began to insult our countries and nations. (Im Ukrainian, my friends Russians and Belarusians). We do not tolerate to fascists and racists.

    Said to my friend (Guns): "I'll raise shit up now, and you kill this fascist for your nation."

    I sent a report for the Tk to "BOSNIAN...", so that admins saw the reason why we killed him.
    1tk. Take kit back.
    2tk. For our nations, against the fascists.

    After 2 minutes, my clanmate Guns gets ban without warnings and questions. And then, "BOSNIAN..." tk another guy who supported us in the chat (and who saw this).

    5 minutes in the general chat, we tried to ask the administrator's nickname, but he was afraid to say it.

    Date: May 7, 2018
    Time: 8:00pm
    Map: Lashkar Valley

    Involved Players: BOSNIAN...

    Evidence:
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    Sorry for bad English

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    Thank you for submitting this Admin Report against Suchor..., Vegas3.2. This Issue will be discussed by all Senior Admins and the Management. Results will be given as soon as possible. Please follow this Thread and respond to possible Questions we have for you.

    - PRTA PR Administration
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    Well, I banned Bosnian, no one else. So actually it's not me. I misunderstood you in-game.

    [19:42:55 T2 SQUAD 3] |GC| Reamz: !tb guns intent tk

    It's just a temporary ban.

    Reamz
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    Thank you for your report. Looking at this whole TK-fest from the logs, you are correct and BOSNIAN was the first to teamkill. You said that he teamkilled for a kit. Guns had a medic kit during that time. Do you have any guesses on why would someone want to steal a medic kit?

    Chatlogs look like this:
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    1. [19:40:53   TEAMKILL]  BOSNIAN_ARTILLERY [gerrif_g36scope] MO/|OT Guns[RUS]
    2. [19:41:02   TEAMKILL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2 [gerrif_g36scope]  BOSNIAN_ARTILLERY
    3. [19:41:08     GLOBAL]  ScoCallum: lol
    4. [19:41:17   TEAMKILL] MO/|OT Guns[RUS] [gerrif_g36scope]  BOSNIAN_ARTILLERY
    5. [19:41:22     GLOBAL]  BOSNIAN_ARTILLERY: !r ot guns teamkillign
    6. [19:41:28 T2 SQUAD 1] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: !r BOSNIAN tk
    7. [19:41:30 T2 SQUAD 3]  [R-DEV]w0lf3k: !rp guns tk, revive, tk again
    8. [19:41:51 T2 SQUAD 3] |GC| FFG: !rp guns intent tk
    9. [19:42:54     TEAM 2] |GC| FFG: shouldn't have teamkilled next to a ukranian, gj dickheads
    10. [19:42:55 T2 SQUAD 3] |GC| Reamz: !tb guns intent tk
    11. [19:42:55 DISCONNECT] 'MO/|OT Guns[RUS]' disconnected with IP
    12. [19:43:04 T2 SQUAD 1] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: !r admin
    13. [19:43:09 T2 SQUAD 1] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: !r wtf are you doing?
    14. [19:43:16 T2 SQUAD 1] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: !r this guy kill my clanmate first
    15. [19:43:23     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: admin, hi tk first
    16. [19:43:25     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: stupid admin
    17. [19:43:31     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: wtf are you doing?
    18. [19:43:32     GLOBAL]  Valenok: bosnian tk first
    19. [19:43:37 T2 SQUAD 9] [JWK] SucharMistrz: !w bosnian tk
    20. [19:43:42     GLOBAL] [JWK] SucharMistrz: thx for nick
    21. [19:43:45     GLOBAL]  BOSNIAN_ARTILLERY: was accident m8
    22. [19:43:46     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: unban my clanmate
    23. [19:43:46     GLOBAL] MO/|OT W1zzarD: BAN BOSNIAN
    24. [19:44:05     GLOBAL]  BOSNIAN_ARTILLERY: Oi
    25. [19:44:06     GLOBAL] MO/|OT W1zzarD: FIRST TK
    26. [19:44:06     GLOBAL] |GC| FFG: Guys said in russia, revive bosnian and ill teamkill him again.
    27. [19:44:17     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: Ban this admin, you dont check reports
    28. [19:44:23     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: Who is that admin?
    29. [19:44:26     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: nickname
    30. [19:44:28     GLOBAL]  BubblyNinja: cut the chat. If you have an issue bring it to the forums.
    31. [19:44:32     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: !admins
    32. [19:44:37 T2 SQUAD 1] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: !admins
    33. [19:44:44     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: reamz, it was you?
    34. [19:44:48     GLOBAL] MO/|OT W1zzarD: !shownext
    35. [19:44:53     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: Who ban him?
    36. [19:45:07     GLOBAL] MO/|OT W1zzarD: BAN BOSNIAN HE FIRST TK
    37. [19:45:10   TEAMKILL]  BOSNIAN_ARTILLERY [gerlat_pzf3]  Valenok
    38. [19:45:20 T2 SQUAD 9] [JWK] SucharMistrz: !tb bos tk
    39. [19:45:20 DISCONNECT] ' BOSNIAN_ARTILLERY' disconnected with IP
    40. [19:45:21     GLOBAL]  Valenok: !r bosnian tk again
    41. [19:45:22     GLOBAL] MO/|OT W1zzarD: BAN BOSNIAN
    42. [19:45:41     GLOBAL]  Valenok: nazi scum
    43. [19:45:45     GLOBAL] MO/|OT W1zzarD: NA NUMBER ONE
    44. [19:45:53     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: Who ban Guns?
    45. [19:45:54     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: dmin
    46. [19:46:02     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: call nickname
    47. [19:46:03     GLOBAL] MO/|OT W1zzarD: UNBAN GUNS
    48. [19:46:13     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: what your nickname?
    49. [19:46:35 T1 SQUAD 5]  [OD-S]Filamu: !w vegas take it to the forums. Revenge tks are not allowed  either
    50. [19:46:59     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: text reports, without admin reaction
    51. [19:47:15     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: Ban for revenge tk, its STUPID
    52. [19:47:17     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: heck reports
    53. [19:47:21     GLOBAL] MO/|OT W1zzarD: NGE NEXT MAP
    54. [19:47:38     GLOBAL] MO/|OT Vegas3.2: idiot admin, who give this ban
    55. [19:47:55     GLOBAL] [JWK] SucharMistrz: I did, report me on forum if you want

    You seemed to spam awful lot on global. I understand that sometimes admin decisions can make you irritated in game, but for this reason we have forums. Spamming global chat just ruins the game for the rest 99 players currently on the server. Thank you for taking the time to do the report though.

    Now looking back at the beginning of the logs, the first TK was made by BOSNIAN, immediately responded by you. This is revenge teamkilling, and it is against the rules of the server. The correct action here would've been to report him for stealing a kit.

    Gunz got temp banned for that second teamkill, on which he got reported multiple times (first revived, then teamkilled to dead-dead). This kind of behavior is obviously wrong, and I should not have to explain to you why. At the same time though, no reports on mumble insulting or racism can be seen from the logs. Contrary to popular belief, admins can't read minds or listen all mumble channels at once, so here the correct action is again to report it and let the admins handle it.

    BOSNIAN got temp banned a few minutes later, for additional teamkilling and reports.

    Now because Reamz was the banning admin on this, do you want to direct the admin report towards him? In this case we will investigate the situation on Reamz's side. Or would seeing the logs change your mind, because I personally think that people involved in this got punished equally. All the players who were temp banned should be able to join the server now.
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    Good that you take it to the forums.

    As we can see from the logs, after he tked you team killed the same player twice, he then reported you followed by your report.
    This would have gone a lot smoother if you wouldn't have tked in revenge, and revived and a second tk. This is in my eyes worse than the original offense. Well deserving of a !tb. And you followed it up with a lot of global spam.

    Then we have all this other political stuff, don't discuss shit like that in the game please. It will not lead anywhere good.
    If you have any proof of the insulting done by bosnian that would of course give us the ability to react to it.

    I will have to agree with Inspect that this seems fairly solved, but of course, if any of these instances repeat, there should be stricter punishments.
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    Ok, guys, that is, you want to say - on the PRTA server, revenge tk = temporary ban.

    If you want to take your kit back, you wiil get temporary ban. Right?
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    Could you point out where did someone say that? Because I can't see it.

    If you teamkill, you break the server rules.
    And for breaking the server rules, a proper punishment will be given. This case it's !tb for both intentional teamkillers.

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    Also could you respond to this?
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    Seems to me that all of the people involved need a timeout.
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    My main complaint to the Reamz's.

    1. Reamz's ignored my first report on BOSNIAN (and then, gave ban to my friend).
    2. Hurried with the decision. Did not give warning or questions.
    3. Ignored and was afraid to answer for his decision.

    I'm not the admin on PRTA to choose the options, but:
    1) Warnings for 2 players;
    2) Bans for 2 players. *It would be fair

    Reamzs did not want to ban BOSNIAN.
    In fact. Suchar Mistrz banned the Bosnian -10 minutes later for another tk.
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    As Inspect said, any form of teamkill is punished. The correct thing to do if you are teamkilled is to report the player.

    The last thing you should do is kill them, then revive them so that you can kill them again. That warrants action, so the admin in that instance did the right thing in temp-banning MO/|OT Guns[RUS].

    Inspect Could you direct me to the correct logs? I would like to see which report he is referring to.

    Reamz Could you give us your point of view here?
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    Due to the way the killfeed is hidden (egine limits), reports can go by very fast and sometimes single report is not enough. As you didn't use !rp but !r instead, it doesn't automatically match players for the admins. !rp is for reporting players, so it's easier for admins to take action. :wink:

    At the same time Guns was reported three times by different people to be intentionally teamkilling (and one report even saying something about revive and then tk). From admin point-of-view this looks way worse, and this is probably why Reamz issued temp ban. In hindsight you're completely right that warning both parties would've been a good option.

    To make an admin report, there is no need to necessarily know the admin to be reported. It helps, but if you provide enough information, the banning admin can be seen from the logs. Like in this example.
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    Prove that Guns was reported by three different people. Send me logs
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    [19:41:22 GLOBAL] BOSNIAN_ARTILLERY: !r ot guns teamkillign
    [19:41:30 T2 SQUAD 3] [R-DEV]w0lf3k: !rp guns tk, revive, tk again
    [19:41:51 T2 SQUAD 3] |GC| FFG: !rp guns intent tk
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    I'd like to note that [R-DEV]w0lf3k is a Ukranian PR player and witnessed them say in russian "revive him and ill teamkill him again"
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    After investigating, we have decided that neither the admin you originally reported (Suchar) nor the admin actually involved (Reamz) acted in a way that violates our administration guidelines. They did their job as admins and removed players who were disruptive and problematic.

    Unfortunately you have implicated yourself and your friends in the breaking of server rules. Yes, BOSNIAN team killed you first - and was eventually punished for this appropriately. Yet you not only teamkilled him in response (forbidden), you then revived him to team kill him again (also forbidden).

    For that reason all the original punishments (temp bans) were appropriate and justified, and our admin team responded correctly.

    It is unfortunate that they did not take action against BOSNIAN earlier, but as you did not report his teamkill until later - and he, in fact, reported you first - it is understandable that our admins took action against you first. Teamkills happen all the time, most of them accidental. We generally act upon teamkills that get reported or that are obviously intentional. In this case, the situation was not clear and both BOSNIAN and yourself were in the wrong. Justice was, eventually, served.

    Case dismissed, report rejected.
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