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Suggestion Map Order and Morning Restart

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Woxbel, Oct 19, 2018.

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    My previous two threads where aimed at game quality which should help with Seeding and server popularity. This one however will be some of my thoughts on Seeding.


    Like I said they are my thoughts on how the current Seeding could be improved. With that I am not trying to say I know it all or that I am right it is just how I currently feel. I do however think you should consider them seriously if you agree with my analysis. And I trust you will since some people where arguing for extreme measures(throwing out the rulebook) that might help seeding in my previous thread. The suggestions I will offer in this one are way less extreme than that.


    I believe there is different kinds of seeding there is seeding in European morning afternoon and there is reseeding after a server crash. They need different things and work differently.


    Map Order


    Recently the first map after server restart got changed to Kokan Skirmish I think this is a great move and has proved effective already for reseeding after crashes. It used to be hard to motivate people to rejoin the server since people knew running next wasn’t an option and everyone hates playing Fallujah Ins for 1 hour. Skirmish is short and quick so everyone knows if they rejoin they will get to play a normal quality match pretty soon. So as far as I am concerned this is great and should stay this way.


    Currently however after a restart the Map Order is Kokan skirmish, Kokan skirmish, Al basrah Insurgency. I have the impression the first two are set and that the remainder is alphabetical.


    This isn’t Ideal my preferred setup would be a skirmish map(Kokan works well but I am fine with a different one) followed by one of the Fallujah INS layers. The advantage of this is still having that first Skirmish round but then automatically getting Fallujah Ins without the need for admin interference in the morning best of both worlds if you want.


    Morning Restart


    There used to be a restart at 6 in the morning(Dutch time) this was forced and would result in a kick of everyone on the server. I think it got changed to only restart if it is empty because back than sometimes people would log on before 6 to afk seed or some random players where already playing.

    Currently this doesn’t happen or almost doesn’t happen and secondarily there aren’t enough admins available in the morning to set the right map. And I think the benefit of those odd occasions where there is a few people on before 6 don’t weigh up to having Soul Rebel AAS the whole day. So I would prefer that the Morning restart becomes enforced again I guess you could move it to 1 hour earlier as a compromise.


    Once again these are my opinions not saying they are valid but if you agree Fallujah seeds better in the morning than Al basrah or Two Kokan Skirmish rounds in a row for that matter than you should be in favor of this change especially if you were advocating for more extreme measures before.

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    Honestly Woxbel, we could do with another senior admin, you seem to care more than most, why not stop beating around the bush and join.
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    I completely agree on everything. But instead of resetting at 6 or 5, reset at 4, that way you ensure you're not throwing anyone out.
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    join seeders wox or be an admin you will be the best,Wicca we should have something like seeders applications and aprove the ones we see alot in seeding time
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    Ahh..i didnt say he said something wrong,he has a point and its a right one..
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    Make woxbell an admin plz.

    We has been around the community since "ever" and he is one of the most mature players I've played with.
    We could create a special type of admin like "guest/veteran/honour" admin, for ppl like woxbell.
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    We can just force him to be admin
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    We should do it! :tounge:

    Give him setnext and some other admin commands so he can manage the server while everybody is sleeping :tounge:


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    It doesn't matter if someone is a manager, moderator, admin, leader, seeder, member or just a user of our server. Anyone can bring up suggestions at any time. We as PRTA highly appreciate suggestions to improve our server! Feedback is ultimately the only real way for us to track and qualify what people want, who play on our server and therefore is more then welcome.

    Thank you for your feedback Woxbel !
    I don't want to validate it but I feel the need to correct or emphasize a statement in it. You said:

    (..) There used to be a restart at 6 in the morning(Dutch time) this was forced and would result in a kick of everyone on the server. I think it got changed to only restart if it is empty because back than sometimes people would log on before 6 to afk seed or some random players where already playing.
    Currently this doesn’t happen or almost doesn’t happen (...)


    You actually explained the current behavior in the second sentence of this quote. :thumbsup:
    Let me explain it in detail. There is a daily restart at 6:00 PRT/UTC. As you said yourself however, the restart only happens, if the server is empty. So if there is one player on the server, the restart job won't restart the server. Let me show you the restarts in October:
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    1. ~/main $ grep ': restart' .svctl/log/2018-10* | grep '06:00' | cut -d: -f2-4,7
    2. 2018-10-01T06:00:02 INFO driver: restart
    3. 2018-10-02T06:00:01 INFO driver: restart
    4. 2018-10-03T06:00:01 INFO driver: restart
    5. 2018-10-05T06:00:02 INFO driver: restart
    6. 2018-10-08T06:00:01 INFO driver: restart
    7. 2018-10-09T06:00:01 INFO driver: restart
    8. 2018-10-11T06:00:02 INFO driver: restart
    9. 2018-10-12T06:00:02 INFO driver: restart
    So as you can see the server restart works as intended. However, there seems to be a gab since the 12th. I checked the job and found a little syntax error which snuck in during a test on Friday 2 weeks ago apparently. So thanks for pointing that out. :smile:
    The error is fixed now and restarts will take place every day again. Well, as long as the server is empty of course.


    This is why feedback is so important gentlemen. Don't do anything that could scare people away from giving us feedback.
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    BOOH! :walkingdead:
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    Well said, tobi. Any healthy community has open and functioning feedback channels.

    It is indeed great that you Woxbel bother to bring things up. About you joining, my two cents:

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    How about some more restart options? If nothing happens when someone is already on the server then it should be OK to run the conditional restart script every 30 minutes.
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    Well, you are the lead-admin. Just tell me what options you want and I'll put them in :wink:
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    It should attempt to restart every 30 minutes now.
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    Great. I am looking forward to see 48 restarts in the logs on some days....
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    Leave that restart attempt frequency for 2-6 AM and drop it to 2h on the rest of the day.
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    I guess I misunderstood the actual request at first. As I understand it now, we are looking for a better way to restart the server in the morning hours. Or in other words, working around a single afk player stopping the server from restarting. Amirite?

    Sloan's approach can be done, but wouldn't be my first choice.
    agus92 your idea is also doable. Whether we should start at 2am or not is debatable however.
    There is a third option. Instead of defining the condition for a server restart as 'restart if empty', we could as well say 'restart if less then [3|4|5|6|7|8] players on the server'. A number somewhere between 5 and 10 seems reasonable imo. It is too small to be considered 'active playing' or to be more then afk leftover's from the night before.


    Sloan's idea is the closest to 'serve a fresh instance for seeders'. We could add a test condition to avoid restarting 40+ times in worst cases.
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    Yes that was exactly my point although the issue probably looked bigger than it is because the server didn't restart for 2 weeks. That is also what I meant when I said “Currently this doesn’t happen or almost doesn’t happen”. Changing the condition to a number seems reasonable or as an alternative just force the restart without a condition like how it ussed to work.
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