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Information Kilgore Fixed Wing section tactics (Fighter weapons school, top gun, Wingman, How to)

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    Here is a guide that lays out teamwork between 2 jets or a section. A flight consists of 3 or more aircraft. A flight is usually broken down in sections of 2 to 3 planes consisting of a leader and its wingman. This guide focuses on tactics for a 2 fighter (or bomber) jets strong section.

    Wingman tactics are seldolmly used in PR. Mostly because because everybody reads other stuff online, so there is no common ground, no common knowledge ad hoc teamwork can be based on. This guide aims to change that. Teaming up vastly improves the chances of survival against enemy Fighter jets and successful engaging them.



    Preparation

    First off decide who will be the leader and who will be the wingman. The leader takes care on where to go and what tactics to apply. The wingman keeps track of where the leader is and flies in formation to him. On some maps you have 4 jets at your disposal. If you form up 2 teams you might want to assign a callsign, something simple like red, that way if the leader wants his wingman to exectute a maneuver there is no confusion if its prefaced by red/blue (Red Break turn right).

    Communication

    The Wingman just relays any sightings to the Leader, the Leader relays any sightings and shouts out manoeuvres. Therefore especially the wingman should make any reports snappy so the leader can make a quick decision. Further the wingman should report the type of aircraft. In the game there are only fighters and bombers. Report a multi-purpose joint strike fighter as a fighter, seen as it can be just as manoeuvrable and fast as a fighter jet. The wingman should also report his position relative to the leader but more about it under formation.

    Example:

    Wingman Red: "Red 6 (o clock implied) fighter"
    Leder red: "Break right"

    Leader red "6 (o clock) Bomber scissor left"

    Formations

    Lets look at 2 simple formations.

    1. high low formation.

    One jet flies low, (out of the range of Ground to air weapon systems though) and the ohter jet high (2000 to 2500m). The jet which flies low flies with a bit of a lead (if he has to climb he loses speed, its accounted for by making him fly with a lead) while the jet that flies high shadows him. The leader should be the one flying low. The only advantage of this formation is that a bandit incoming on either jet is unaware of the second jet.

    If either jet gets a bandit on his 6 o clock
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    the other jet closes in on him and starts to engage preferably with a missile (a miss with a gun could hit your friendly, so could a miss with the missile though).

    2. Wedge formation.

    The wingman flies slightly back and slightly below to the left or right of the lead aircraft. The wingman should see the leader aircraft on his 2 o clock or 10 o clock above him. Whatever he is comfortable with, as long as he keeps up and holds the formation. Tell the squadleader wether you are on his left or right and stay there if possible, avoid changing sides constantly or at all.

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    This formation has the obvious drawback that any attacking aircraft instantly sees he is dealing with 2 fighter jets, however it has a string of advantages that make it worthwhile. For one it is the starting point of the manoeuvres outlined later, for the other in this formation one jet can check on the blind spot of the other avoiding surprises.

    Behaviour in combat.

    Before we go on to evasive maneuvers on how to get the enemy jet attacking your formation in your 12 o clock we will look at how to behave when you do have him on your 12 o clock. The jet that gets the drop on the bandit chases him and engages him. The second jet rather than search for other bandits trails the friendly jet at a distance. If the jet has to abort the pursuit (out of ECM, out of ammo etc.) the other jet can take over or can take over if the bandit loses your wingman/leader. Further if the bandit radios in for help you will be between the approaching bandit and your friendly and he will likely engage you, so that the friendly can maintain the pursuit of the bandit.


    Section tactics (Wingman air to air tactics)

    Here are some manoeuvres outlined for a jet formation (section) consisting of 2 planes. The jets start out in the wedge formation. The goal of the outlined manoeuvres is to get the bandit on your 12 o clock to effectively engage him.

    The Break Turn

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    One of the simplest maneuvers is the Break turn. Most of us know it as the turn we make when a bandit pulls on to our 6. This also creates confusion for the bandit as now he has two aircraft to deal with and must make a descission as to which one to pursue. As the bandit makes his decision, the other section member is given the opportunity to pull outside for the missile shot. If the bandit is pursuing to you call it out to your wingman/leader, he has the opportunity to reduce speed undisturbed if he isnt already on the badits 6 o clock.

    How to initiate: Depending on the approach of the bandit the break turn should be executed to the right or the left (or either). If the Bandit approaches from your 7 or 8 o clock the leader should order a "break right", if the bandit approaches form the 4 or 5 o clock to the left, if he is on the 6, then either. If you call the wrong turn (ex. "break left" with a bandit approaching from the 7 or 8 o clock), wait for the bandit to approach you again and call the right.

    Note calling the "wrong turn" pretty much puts the bandit on the sections 3 (or 9) o clock at which point the bandit is likely to overshoot the section. You might want to call the "wrong turn" on purpose if you want to disengage from any jets you encounter for whatever reason.


    When to execute: A fighter jet pulls up to your formation from behind. The bandit maintains high speeds.


    Advantage: The maneuver is realitvely easy to execute. Seen as you turn as little as possible you can maintain high speeds in pursuit of a fast jet.

    Disadvantage:

    A maneuvrable bandit like some bombers might be able to quickly outturn the fighter jet that went in pursuit.

    Circle

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    The circle allows you to take full advantage of a highly maneuvrable plane, while setting up the plane for your wingman. One plane circles left, while the other circles right. The Bandit must make a decision on which plane to pursue. If the bandit is not in pursuit of you or if your wingman/leader calls out the bandit is in pursuit of him, slightly reduce speed, so that you complete the circle a bit later than your leader/wingman who has the bandit in pursuit of him. After the plane that is being chased by the bandit completes the circle it should fly straight or initiate a turn in the opposit direction. The banking maneuver to reallign should make the bandit temporarily very vulnerable to the jet that is coming in from behind.

    How to initiate: If you have a plane in your rear start circling right while you tell your wingman "Circle left" or the other way around.

    When to use: The maneuver should be used when your formation consist of slowish but manoeuvrable bombers against bandit fighters. If you use it over an area with friendly ground to air missiles you have the added benefit that the bandit is exposed to Friendly AA fire for a prolonged time.

    Advantage: Unlike with the break turn there is no danger of getting the turn wrong as long as the bandit approaches your rear. When the planes merge the bandit will have bled a lot of speed is at maximum bank and will take time to readjust to pursue your leader/wingman who straightened out the plane or banked in the opposite direction.

    Disadvantage: The plane which has the bandit in pursuit will be a target for quite a while and eventually use up a lot of flares to make it through the maneuver. Also timing is crucial, if either pilot is asleep at the controls and initiates the circle too late the whole maneuver is bust.

    Thach Weave

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    Two fighter aircraft fly in formation side by side. When the enemy aircraft chooses one of the two fighters as his target (the "bait" fighter) the two wingmen turn in toward one another and cross each others path.After the fighters have separated in opposite directions in this manner they then commence a turn back toward one another which brings the enemy fighter into the gunsights of the "hook" fighter. The turns are repeated, similar to a Scissor manoeuvre giving the "hook" fighter further opportunities. However it cannot be continued for long due to the enemy fighter's superior turn ability.If the manoeuvre is executed correctly the enemy fighter has little chance of escape if he has followed the "bait" fighter through its turn.

    How to initiate: The leader yells out "(red/blue) weave at which point the jet to the right moves right and the jet to the left left, when the jets have some distance the jets start turning into each other as described and visualized above. The weave is also effective against an bandit executing the flat scissor where the section has the bandit on its 12 of clock (basically a single airplane doing the weave look it up) but of course without a bait aircraft the bandit has no reason to maintain that motion and can change it abruptly.

    When to use it. Use it against highly manoeuvrable Bandits that keep getting away, like some of the hard turning bombers or that damnable F-15/E.

    Advantages: It defeats an opponents manoeuvrability.

    Disadvantages: The bait aircraft has to bank and turn against a very manoeuvrable bandit and will be at high risk. Use ECMs a lot.

    The bracket:

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    Most manoeuvres dealt with countering enemies attacking from a rear. Here is one on how to deal with a bandit approaching the formation from the front. The bracket involves splitting up the lead/wingman formation (2) and giving the bandit two choices for a target. You must make sure you know where you wingman is before the bracket begins. When the bandit makes his choice, the other member must engage the bandit (3) and take him out. The bandit is obviously in pursuit of the friendly, so close in to the 6 o clock of your friendly. If the bandit does not pick any aircraft or loses sight of it resume the wedge formation.

    How to initiate: Seen as the maneuver has to be executed very fast as soon as an approaching bandit is identified there should be an understanding between leader and wingman, that the maneuver is executed each time the section runs into an approaching bandit from the front. The jet that is on the left turns left and the jet that is on the right turns right.

    Advantage: Effective way to deal with approaching enemy bandit.

    Disadvantage: Lots of unkowns here, does the bandit take the bait, does he not, is he searching but lost both jets? Best to only temporarily break the formation.

    Two jets bombing.

    The jet formation can support each other with bombing or alternatively one of the jets supports a third jet, possibly a bomber. The goal is to distract ground AA. Fly just ahead of the attacking bomber and make a fast pass at the target popping flares. Be fast enough to be a hard target the AA should be barely able to get a lock on you. Feel free to bomb the target yourself if you get a tone, but either the bomb wont arm because due to your speed to avoid a shootdown it impacts before you arm or you expended the few air to ground ordnance you had already. As the friendly bomber comes in for his own pass the AA likely faces away from it.

    Thats all

    That's it, there you have 4 basic 2 on 1 manoeuvres along with procedures. So what now? Memorize these 4 manoeuvres along with the procedures and practice them by yourself if you must or with a buddy if you can. It looks much but it isn't. Its barely 5 pages (with all the tricks to stretch it out). I slammed it together in an afternoon. Taking it all in should be doable.



    When I get the impression that the application of this guide is sufficiently widespread I will add a couple more useful manoeuvres.




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    Or forget tactics, pray jebus for first lock and pewpew missiles. Dog fights in PR? I kry evrytim

    Should instead teach people how to properly drop bombs!
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    How the fuck do I fly airplanes
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    3 things missing.

    firstly, where is the documents about fast take off?
    secondly, where is the guide to talking shit over all squad?
    thirdly, when do planes fly formation in PR?
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    1. this
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    1. not the purpose of this guide, its just about 2 jets tactics.

    2. Its outlined on the guide a bit. Eventually the communication part will evolve as I get more experience flying in a section.

    3. It does not happen right now. READ the guide. The purpose of this guide is to change the lack of teamwork between jets and make it happen by providing a common knowledge base.
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    Why would/should people do something that will get them killed in under a nanosecond aka flying in formation?
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    Why shit on a guy trying to promote teamwork?

    Do you have to participate? I doubt it.

    Unless you are contributing material for others to evaluate, fuck off with your armchair comments trying to crush someone else's enthusiasm.

    For those 3 topics you haters claim is missing, why don't you contribute the necessary material to cover them?
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    On a serious note then. I think it would be better if you could provide videos of first and third person views of the techniques.

    As well as dedicate a section to ground target acquisition. Anyone can dogfight. But the good CAS pilots, actually do CAS part of it.
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    Rules for CAS:
    1)Don't do CAS.
    2)Play as INF. Battles are hardwon with sweat and tears on the ground. Not with your million dollar babies in the sky.
    3)DON'T DO CAS.
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    How is it armchair comments when its true? Teamwork alone wont win you the game.
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    I dont think this guide has been applied in PR ever. I havent seen anything like it ever. These are proven 2 on 1 tactics that worked in WW II, that worked over Vietnam (once they had been acquired and applied increasing the killratio from 2 to 1 to 21 to 1 with the same jets invovled the mig and the phantom).

    A first person view actually does not give you as good an idea on how to execute the maneuver as a diagram does, but I will try to do video if I find pilots willing to hop on test airfield with me.
    The focus of this guide is solely on jet to jet teamwork, thats why bombing was only covered to the extent on how jets can support each other on a run. As long as a guide written for a single pilot works you can look up any. To apply this guide all players involved must have the same knowledge and therefore must have read this same guide. That's why I kept it as lean and focused as possible, so it is easy to digest.
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    This formation thing worked on Falkland.But only until you find the enemy jets.
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    I usually just spam my AA missles, press Alt+F4 and scream that I ctd'ed just to avoid landing or getting shot down.
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    Cause realistic tactics work so well in PR... Its been proven time and time again, that playing it milsim and using real world tactics dont yield the same results as playing the game in a way which works.

    Im sure everyone appreciates the time you put in to write the guide, but I think its wrong to teach people to play in a way which handicaps them from the start...
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    I don't understand how these can work in a game that has a very small view distance, and planes don't even seem to be affected by gravity all that much.

    Also your two jets bombing thing, will succeed with bombing something, but only one jet will land.

    You are applying real world stuff to PR.
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    Right now this is Schroedingers guide. It has not been applied yet not even tested. So I and everyone else posting here is right and wrong at the same time (or not right and not wrong if you prefer that). I took something that was used in WWII and worked. It was dropped with the advent of modern jets only for the K/D ratio to drop significantly and reacquired for the K/D ratio to increase dramatically and set new highs (with the same machines during the same war) therefore I am confident it will work in PR as well.

    As soon as Ill get around to it I will grab 2 willing pilots load test airfield and then we'll see how it goes.
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    Except AA going haywire, relocking to another target and then killing both jets. Or splash damage killing everything.
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    I think flying in formation will act like a flare where the radar will keep locking to both the planes and keep alternating with both of them without getting a stable lock. Haven't flown CAS enough to know about that but its just my theory.

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