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Why is lonewolfing not allowed?

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    I assume rules are formulated and implemented by admins so that the majority of players can have a fun game. However one of these rules is no lone wolfing/ lone wolf squads allowed.

    I fail to see how this behaviour damages the gameplay of other people who enjoy having tight teamwork. Matter of fact I believe that these rules damage the gameplay experience of the pr players who want to cooperate together, since now lone wolfers are forced to join teamworking squads and will just bother these said squads due to non cooperation / communication.

    So I wonder why you would not allow certain players to play their preferable gamestyle, lone wolfing. Also come on guys not like squadleaders actually work together since version 1.0
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    Because it takes squad space and most lonewolves are people new to the game and they just cause trouble and issues not to say that PRTA's servers encourage teamwork instead of straight out sniper kits and marksmen in a 1 man squad shooting an MBT.
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    Take squad space... Not really cus all lone wolfes are often in the same squad.

    New to the game.. So you are saying its ok to lone wolf if you are not new to the game

    Prta encourages teamwork, no it forces teamwork, also lone wolfing doesnt automatically mean running around with a sniper
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    Person joins squad.
    Grabs sniper kit (for example).
    Goes to the edge of the map and gets killed.
    That person doesn't help capture the objective (defend flag, attack flag, get the cache or w/e)
    That person just uses the kit for the kills or some other kind of... satisfaction lets say. If we were all spread out around the map then the game would loose it's power.
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    if you want to make a suggestion go to the Suggestions & Feedback and post it there.
    thats the only way you will get an answer from management and lead admins.
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    Loan Wolfs are generally people who walk off from their INF squad and do their own thing. This in no way is promoting teamwork. All players must follower their SL orders. SLs must follow the COs orders.
    Squads MUST have someone leading their Squad.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 25, 2016 ---
    Also today you took a Humvee by yourself on Karbarla at the start of the round with no intention of forming a squad. Not only is that wasting assets, soloing assets but it is lownwolfing.
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    Much as you may dislike that fact, this is not CoD or BF4. Our rules are meant to reflect that.
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    I never said its ok to lonewolf because it's not. At least on our servers it's not.

    If you want to grab a Sniper kit, at least get yourself in a legit Recon squad with a spotter and go mark enemy movements or emplacements, kill high valued targets like HATs or AAs or foes operating HMGs or TOWs slaughtering your team, and obey your SL when he tells you what to do. However for the Marksman, it's a kit you take in an Infantry squad, to help them on long range engagements and combat, it doesn't serve the same role as the Sniper does; Marksmen are Infantry just like an AR or a Riflemen are.

    PRTA stands for Project Reality Teamwork Alliance, and we strive it and encourage it. After all there are many other places you can play in if you want to lonewolf, like other servers or offline Co-Op.
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    I don't think this thread is about snipers. It's about the sneaky breacher who is 1k away from anyone else C4ing everything, hit and running full squads and reporting enemy movements in chat or to the SL. IMO that's some pretty high level teamwork. One man denying an enemy spawnpoint? Worth it. One man holding up a full squad for a few minutes with a well timed bullet? Worth it.

    A lot of people don't seem to understand that an 8 man squad is not the solution to every situation in the game, and many good players will prefer to lonewolf than play in a squad whose level of teamwork they consider subpar or unsatisfactory.


    But yeah, soloing humvees at round start... Fuck that.
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    Of course this doesn't apply just to Snipers...

    But what you said makes no sense of teamwork, those things should be on a completely different game, if it's continuously done on PR it will simply ruin the aspect of tactical realism and teamwork in it. Lonewolves are only after their personal scores and k/d ratios.
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    Thats just one guy your talking about, If it was allowed on server there would end up being more than one guy lonewolfing, then what?
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    I wonder what happens when there are 20 people trying to do the same thing on the server. Oh wait, thats 2 and a half squads trying to run around denying spawn points, hit and running squads, all with breacher kits c4ing everything. Without any organization whatsoever, and all but 3 of them no way to communicate with other squads.

    So as has been said before, a pack of sheep derping around like idiots. :facepalma:
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    But if we let people fly trans, then we'll have 20 people flying trans not on objectives, and only three of them can communicate!

    PR is a game which requires many different things going on at the same time for a team to win. One of those is recon, sabotage, etc. and lonewolfing is a 100% viable strategy in many cases. Just like everything else in the game though, it has to be done within reason. You can't have 50 people flying trans, driving APCs, commanding or leading squads either, but that's completely not the point

    As for lonewolfing, saying it's "not allowed" is just stupid. Working against the team should not be allowed, but helping the team, lonewolfing or otherwise, should not be against the rules. If somebody is running around with a crewman 1k from his squad, sure, warn/kick him. If someone is C4ing/LATing the enemy's stuff on his own, what exactly is the problem?
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    Except trans pilots actually communicate in an organized squad. You know what every single one of the trans pilots is doing. There is a limitation in the game of how many people can fly trans, drive apcs and so on. There is none for people lonewolfing. The whole server could do it if they would like to, and at that point you're playing a team deathmatch in cod. I feel fairly secure in saying that, that kind of gameplay will never be encouraged by prta's ruleset.

    You dont know what 20-30 people doing whatever they please will be doing. If you're a member, suggest a rule change and im sure the management will take it under advisement.
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    I sometimes tell my breacher to go for fobs. I sometimes tell one or two squadmates to do something away from the squad.

    When a player joins a teamwork game and is void from the entire teams strategy or cohesivness they should be removed from the server. I have seen entire squads do these things, being more interested in just "exploring" or doing things they find are edgy and easier than the true challenge in the front.

    I have no issues with 3 man fob killer squads, I even love it when they communicate their kills and asks for intelligence. But I have a real issue with players that really fill up empty spots on the team, wasting their efforts on things such as sniping, or just lone flanking..

    If you want to play a game where the idea is just to singlehandedly kill as many people as possible I would suggest Call of Duty, Counter Strike or similar titles that are geared towards Arcade gaming. When you play Project Reality you should adhere to the principles of being immersied in a Military Simulation with the ease of access and communication Project Reality Delivers at your fingertips.

    I understand that it would be nice to have a end all be all game that encompassess all forms of gaming, but PR is a narrow niche albeit it does have a wide variety of roles that allows many different players to experience a variety of styles. But there is no room for the Lonewolfers...

    You can make the case that you want to have fun, but teamwork games are more socialistic as it requires more of you to give to the team as opposed to what the game gives to you.

    I would love to play Strategy games for my own enterntainment in Project Reality, but then I might take away the fun for others forcing them to defend or do "boring" objectives.

    Similarly when I squadlead I also have to make sure my squadmates are entertained and have fun to ensure that I both complete critical objectives but also ensure everyone is having a good time.
    And finally as a squadmate your fun is disproportionate to everyone elses fun on the server, which means if you give yourself to the squaleader and the objective and do your best to work with the squad, the fun will come as its own reward of teamwork.

    This is really a fundamental issue I see coming from "elite" players who does not wish to mingle with their perception of the mindless banter that is the public player. But if everyone is selfish then the game will become shit.

    SO GIVE A LITTLE BIT! GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR LOVE TONIGHT!

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    You guys have not read properly Liam's initial statement.

    Allot of you are judging lone wolfing as one thing and one thing only.....not communicating, not within a objective zone.

    What Liam said was 1 guy can run around sneaky as fuck, camp and kill fobs, kill apcs find and report squads.
    The difference is someone is good at this (Dutch) will report all of that. Type in chat etc.
    And if your now going to tell me that is not helping the team then I may aswell stop now.

    To say you can do that if your in a "legitimate recon squad" is very contradicting and allot of the time far more damaging.

    8 man squads are really not good in pr, only a very few maps where they actually work efficiently.

    Eg guided hat kits on allot of maps SHOULD be lone wolfed for maximum efficiency.

    Basically what I'm trying to say is if the player is communicating and working in the teams interest then that is teamwork.
    I think it's very narrow minded to tarnish anyone alone on the map as "not a teamworker" a elitist or whatever else.
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    If he is in a squad and has been orderd to do so then he obviously is not lonewolfing. If he is doing it against orders then he is lonewolfing.
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    By lonewolfing we are describing a player who is just going around doing what he wants with no one giving him orders.

    As wicca says, if the player has been ordered to go scouting or whatever then he is not a lonewolf, but a player on a mission.
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    With that said, spec-ops behind enemy lines are supported, because that is a way of strategy. Not just screwing around to get a good feeling of nature in PR.
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    #ineedlonewolfing because im tired of my squad leader yelling at me when im trying to take down the enemy CAS with an AA kit
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