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The official political thread

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Rakuen, Aug 13, 2014.

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    Rakuen Rakuen S_Fr communications manager

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    ISIS are like kids, fighting the little ones but can't defend Gaza because Israel is too big, stupid fanatic muslims

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    Phoenix Phoenix I'm why you have a death

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    Israel is mean
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    No, Israel is defending itself. Hamas is being 'mean' and acting like North Korea.
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    Its like those players in PR we all accuse of cheating. They arent cheating, they are just really good at defending themselfs :tounge:
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    Oh yea, they are just telling the Palestine people to get out of Gaza / West Bank. And then don't allow them to come back. Like always. 1/4 of them left within the last conflict. Thats mean.

    I would agree to you if israel stops building in West Bank. I'm sure they will start building again in Gaza in a few years.
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    Israel is a small country with a large, mean, and religiously proud army.

    As an American I'm intimidated of them. But thankfully we're allies.
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    Disnoxxio Disnoxxio A Thorn in their side.

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    I really recommend you take the time and watch this.
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    He seems to omit at least one key event:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Jerusalem_riots

    He also seems astonished that the people who are employed to find the most effective ways of using the military to cripple any potential threat had actually suggested an effective way of using the military to cripple a potential threat.

    The 6 day war was caused by a breakdown in relations and clear mobilisation of arab armies, Israel did not go to war without provocation. He doesn't seem to understand that a country which sees its hostile neighbours preparing for war - the same neighbours which attacked it only 20 years earlier - faces a clear and immediate threat of annihilation.

    I don't think he's a particularly credible source. You don't ask an amputee to lecture people on how to amputate a limb; you ask a doctor. The fact that he was there has no bearing on his understanding of the situation, Palestinian children in gaza don't understand it either.
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    *Born out by the first terrorist groups in Middle East (Irgun, Haganah and Lehi) in 1947

    *Ethnic cleansed 80% of historical Palestine, displaced 700,000 Palestinian, destroyed 1000 villages.

    *Committed the first terrorist attack in Middle East (King David hotel bombing) against the British who promised them the land

    *Assassinated (Folke Bernadotte) Swedish Nobleman and diplomat to Palestine noted for his negotiation of the release of about 31,000 prisoners from German concentration camps.

    *Backstabbed America TWICE by false flag attacks (USS Liberty-Lavon affair) resulted in 200 died and injured American, they wanted the war to erupt between USA and Egypt but failed and caught.

    *Occupied the rest of 20% of Palestinian territories in 1967

    *Built the largest separation wall in the history (twice longer than berlin wall)

    *The country with most UN resolutions violation (70 resolution)

    *Committed more than 100 massacres against Palestinians and Lebanese

    *Doubled the settlements in the west bank after the Oslo record peace process.

    *Assassinated their only Prime Minister (Rabin) that dared take bold steps for peace.

    *Manipulated America to give them 3 billion a year, weapons, funds, Vetos.

    *Israel is the only democracy in the world with separation wall, Jewish roads only

    *Israel is the only country in the world with no defined borders so they can steal more lands.

    *Provoked Palestinians to create Hamas after the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre

    *Before Israel, America had no enemy in Middle East. Now America is the most hated country



    Hopefully, they're defending themselves. :israel::israel:
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    Phoenix Phoenix I'm why you have a death

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    Israel is still mean with over 1.9k dead in Gaza, mainly civilians. Now at least there is currently a cease fire xox:inlove:
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    Disnoxxio Disnoxxio A Thorn in their side.

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    Yeah Hamas is not mean at all placing rocket launchers next to UN buildings, they;re really nice and cute and such.

    Such doge such wow.
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    What do they expect if they keep letting Hamas use schools and hospitals as launch sites? If the Gazan civilians want to end the killing then all they need to do is to make it difficult to Hamas to recruit and passively prevent any Hamas activities from succeeding. They don't need to fight, they just need to make it extremely difficult for Hamas to fight.
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    Phoenix Phoenix I'm why you have a death

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    If Israel lifts this nonsense blockade, stops removing their land from their ownership, it'd be a different & more peaceful place

    [​IMG]
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    Disnoxxio Disnoxxio A Thorn in their side.

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    So what do you suggest, they give it all back again and they go back to borders 47, not going to happen. If Hamas stops firing Israel high likely stops firing. Israel is only functioning democracy in that region. Can you imagine with those countries around you.
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    So what do you expect the Israelis to do when the Palestinians keep attacking them without provocation, stand in a big line?
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    I'm sorry but how is establishing an apartheid country on somebody else's land, destroying thousands of their villages , killing tens of thousands, displacing millions, keeping them under illegal occupation, closing their borders and continuously seeking ways to end peace talks not a provocation?

    Now, let's go over some "arguments" that Israeli supporters have.

    "Hamas is at fault for all of this."
    Hamas has only existed for 20 years and was established as a direct consequence of a continues Israeli oppression. The situation wasn't any better before, now Hamas is just the scapegoat Israel needs in order to continue with their illegal occupation.

    "Hamas is firing from urban areas."
    Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world, with over 5000 people living in 1 square km. There's no non-urban areas there, Israel stole all of them.

    "Hamas is using human shields."
    It's true that sometimes, but very rarely, people go on top of roofs to prevent the IDF bombing their infrastructure. And that's about as far as that goes. If you believe that most civilian casualties are caused by this you are very mistaken. Where's the proof? IDF has all kinds of UAV and other surveillance capabilities, yet they keep showing the same 2 clips of these "human shields" over and over again. Don't forget that almost 80% of everybody killed in the current cleansing operation are civilians.
    Go ahead and check the reports, there's full families being killed by the IDF's indiscriminate bombing, not couple of militants and some civilians.
    Meanwhile, at the IDF:
    Source

    "Hamas is firing from hospitals and schools."
    Is just bullshit. This was the 1st operation where missiles were found in 2 different UN schools during a routine checkout and that's as far as that goes. Both schools were vacant for the summer.
    On the other hand the IDF has bombed 3 UN schools killing civilians only.

    "Hamas is so bad even precision strikes kill civilians because Hamas is abusing them".
    And where are those precision strikes happening? Certainly not in Gaza.



    I've seen a great drop in public support for Israel over this last operation, more and more people can see what Israeli is turning into. It's sad to see some people still buy into their propaganda and lies, which are all easily proven wrong.
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    Well, they are destroying precisely every single building there...one building - one bomb. That's actually pretty precise.

    But seriously, there is a war going on there for the last ~40 years with some cease fire agreements. What do you expect happening in a war? The army is just following military logics. Those buildings need to be destroyed to approach with infantry safer. No buildings = no cover.

    If you let an army solve things the police should handle then such things happen. Look to iraq, afghanistan, somalia, mali, syria, lybia, daghestan, chechnya etc...
    If you let an army do a police job then innocent people will die. A lot of them!

    The hamas is a terror organization. No doubt about it. Their goal is not to free palestine. They want to wipe out the jews from the middle east. They said it multiple times. Freeing palestine is just a sideeffect of this. On the other hand i don't see israel being interested in a real peace agreement.
    As long as only radicals are in charge on both sides we will never see peace.
    Plain and simple.

    I am not expecting anything else. It's just sad.
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    That's a lot of open space.

    E:
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    Oh yeahm Israel told them to leave before attacks, then when they left and went to UN shelters, they bombed them...


    Israels so called proof consists of, red dots on a tiny satellite or UAV picture, and clip art.
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